One of Chelsea Devantez’s listeners connected her to my show after my interview with Joanna Shupe.

Meanwhile I’d been working up the nerve to ask her onto my show, and then the universe intervened through this lovely person. Thank you!

I recapped Danielle Steel’s dog memoir on her show, and now, she’s in the guest chair on mine.

We talk about her memoir, I Shouldn’t Be Telling You This (But I’m Going to Anyway), which was published last summer. Along the way we discuss embracing vulnerability, hating small talk, and avoiding it by…writing a memoir!  We also examine how the Depp/Heard case affected the final version of that memoir. Chelsea’s book is bookended by her own story of intimate partner violence, and much of it was redacted, as we discuss in this interview.

CW/TW: throughout this episode, we talk about domestic violence, intimate partner violence, infertility, donor conceived children and adults, the infertility industry, drive by shootings, shame, and mental health.

“Not talking is never the answer. Just talk about it.”

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Here are the books we discuss in this podcast:

You can find Chelsea Devantez on her podcast, Glamorous Trash,  and she’s on Instagram @ChelseaDevantez, with a second account for her podcast, @GlamorousTrashPodcast.

You can find me on Chelsea’s podcast in the episode where we discuss Danielle Steel’s dog memoir, Pure Joy.

Len Pennie, the guest on Episode 612. Poetry in Scots with Len Pennie, recently won the Discover Book of the Year award at the 35 British Book Awards. Her acceptance speech is terrific.

Music: purple-planet.com

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